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[faithellen]

Manners? Whoulda thunk it?

I admire this guy, and not because I'm anti-child -- *everyone* should behave themselves in public, and we learn it as children. There are places we can be loud and boisterous, and places where we speak in more moderate tones and sit calmly. Children have to learn that, and parents have to teach it. This guy is just promoting that process.

::waiting for the onslaught::

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Agreed in principle, but not in deed?

[3fingeredsalute.livejournal.com]

I think that it would be difficult to "enforce" such a policy. One can always boot an unruly person (child or adult-child) if they cross the boundaries of infringing on the enjoyment of others. I respect his position on the issue, but I took notice of something else. The guy has TIN CEILINGS! I despise that - and it seems like it is the de-facto standard now to make the place feel "alive" by echoing noises off of every surface and then playing the radio too loud so everyone has to scream to be heard over "polite dinner conversation". I'm not one who is shy of loud noises, and I assuredly do not want the place to be dead silent, but carpet, curtains, sound baffling, SOMETHING to allow muted noises to be muted would be so appreciated. Of course, this is just my pet peeve. Maybe there is positive aspect to being so loud you can't make out what the daily specials are.

That being said, the other problem he is encountering is that the good parents often have the well-behaved children. Not always, but often the unruly children are that way because the parents are ape-shit nutzo. I appreciated greatly the comment that the people making the complaints against his policy were the *ahem* people with high senses of self-entitlement. In other words, the parents are the real spoiled brats. The little apples don't fall too far from the tree, and probably act out because their parents can't be interrupted from all their self-indulgent self-love to parent, and so they demonstrate ugly behavior just to get any attention at all.

Now, I know that I do not refer to all parents of any child who acts out -- of course not. However, our society has taken a decidedly ugly "me me me" turn. ("Screw you - I will NOT keep it down! I'm Paris HILTON!") Where are the ideals of community, respect, compassion and the rights of others? THOSE are family values -- not the rest of the crap that's being promoted by the same phrase. I dislike the sign on the door only because it should not be necessary to have to remind people how to behave, not because I disagree with his right to fight back.

Re: Agreed in principle, but not in deed?

[faithellen]

Architecture fascist, aren't you? ;)

Re: Agreed in principle, but not in deed?

[3fingeredsalute.livejournal.com]

I see how you are -- you defend the echo factors of tin celings, but leave poor little malnourished Paris Hilton prone to my ire?

Harumph -- passive slut-basher! *snicker*

[cozit.livejournal.com]

Of course, I'd also like to see that "all ages" applied to any "adult" who feels they have to have conversations at the top of their lungs (in person or cell phone), and/or find they have to *scream* with laughter repeatedly, frequently, over a relatively long period of time, in the same place. Maybe in a bar, but *not* in what hopes to be a quiet(ish) cafe... or restaurant (other than maybe specifically family restaurant). Wonder if he could come up with a second sign for that, placed at adult eye-level...

But, yup, agree with all else you put up there.

Oh.. except for the tin ceiling part... *If* the ceiling he's refering to is of the type my mind instantly pictured it to be (antique, tooled tin) then there is *no* way I'd want it covered up. Those things are pretty, precious, and most have disappeared from view already, often destroyed rather than just covered.

Now if its just tin for noise value, that's another story...

[cozit.livejournal.com]

That'd be pretty neat. Tin ceiling, tapestries on the wall... a bit of *soft* background music when there's not a crowd (at least)... Sounds like a great way to get a bite, a drink, and quiet conversation, a bit of a read or a bit of *quiet* typing done.

[3fingeredsalute.livejournal.com]

You make a very good point. I enjoy the look of an art-deco tin ceiling, too. If its purpose is fashion, and not the "live atmosphere" accoustic debacle, the ceiling should most certainly stay tin. BUT... I think they can put something up besides a sign saying for kids to be quiet to mute the noise level? Like... I dunno -- noise dampening tapestries? Again, that's just my annoyance at how noisy places try to be these days. Doesn't really include much about ill-behaved children (and parents).

Also, I don't know if you took the "all ages" portion from my comment. Just to clarify, I alluded to "child or adult child", which I intended as immature people of ALL ages. *g*